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From: Jack
Venrick

To: Roni Sylvester

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:44 PM

Subject: Re: Federal Government Intends to Over Ride the
WRIA Process, seizing control of every drop of water in Washington State

Hi Roni-

One of the people on my list forwarded the message to
the gvt. crooks with a ditto.

Otherwise few to no one responds.  This is the way it has
been from the get go.  Mum is the word.

Check out a rare reply attached above.

Also government and the non government are shutting out
feedback by making it difficult to communicate, e.g. form email vs. regular
email, changing fax numbers, hiding issues, etc.

I told Ron Ewart yesterday that on occasions I have been
checking my site hits using google analytic which gives you demographics
of how many and where crudely.  When I send out to the
Wash. House and Senate, property rts. folks, media, et al for a total around
415, I see I get a bump of about 2%, i.e. 8 people looking at the site.

This 2% is very common in sales response, e.g. stuffing
brochures into mailboxes, etc.  So believe it or not, low to no
response is typical.

That's the bad news.  Here is the good news.

Since I am a left brain engineer we look at everything in
numbers, or I used to before I became "enlighten"...hahahhaha
Anyway, the critical mass to seed social reform appears to be between
the square root of 1% of the population and 1/2% to 1%.

Taking America and using say 300 million, here's what we need.

1.
Square root of 1% of 300M = 1732 people

2.
1/2% of 300M = 1,500,000

3.
1% of 300M = 3,000,000

I have been using 8% as the current state
of enlightenment regarding freedom.  That may be high.  It comes
I think from the gun owners and the Ron Paul people, et al.

So my take is we definitely  are above the
critical mass numbers we need and now it is just a matter of time as the
movement gathers strength and gets organized.  Our CAPR property rights
group is trying to spread now across Washington state.  How many people
this is hard to say.  I would guess it is very feasible to have several
thousand in the state in the next few years.

The so call 1000 Friends of Washington green group were bragging
with this until we gave them hell and they changed it to
"Futurewise".

So it appears to not take to many to change the direction of the
herd because the herd has no time to think, i.e.  they are stampeded and
corralled and sent to market ASAP before they realize what happen to them.

I just received another box of Republic mags I buy every few months
to  hand out along with my card.  I carry around in the SUV and my
brief case and use them as a ice breaker.  It works great.

Check out the latest Republic attached.  They sent out links
to view as come on's.

Well Roni I can't tell you how many times I beat myself up asking
why are you doing this Jack?  I am "stuck" here on the ranch
caring for Mom 24x7 so this is a great opp to leverage my time plus work on
projects as my new cornea can stand them.

I believe the gvt. types are reading what I put out.  Its at
least a pulse for them.  You can see the complete helplessness in the
question from Senator Delvin above.  I recently got wise and expanded my
email to all of the Washington State Congressional districts reps.

Another marker to look at is the first American Revolution.
Only 20,000 fought out of 3 million, that is 2/3 of 1%.  Many of them died
or went back to take care of their families.  General Washington was left
with only some 2000 freezing and starving to death along with him the winter at
Valley Forge.  He refused to go into town to shelter.  Mary came out
and took care of all of em best she could.  This is exactly the situation
now.  i.e. apathy reigns so those few of us good guys or the few bad guys
can stampede the herd any which way but loose.

We are into this taking trend for at least 7 generation, I figure
looking at my family roots research tree.  After the 1620 landing in
Plymouth, the Pilgrims had about 50 years to establish themselves which was an incredible
story and miracle.  Then the dam British came after them again because
they were so successful be free.  It took the British the next 100 years
roughly (1675 to 1775) to stir up enough hate among the colonies to revolt.

One hears that 1/3 of the 3 million colonies wanted to stay with
the King, 1/3 waffled to where the money was coming from and 1/3 wanted to
revolt.  Another reading says that the vast majority did want
to revolt which I tend to believe.  The presence of British grew
over that 100 years not unlike the black boot of government
coming into our communities and land now.

It is very uncanny how similar the 1st and 2nd Revolutions
are stacking up.  It is worth your time if you haven't already the read
again General Washington's visit/vision where an angel came to him and
created three future events to happen in America.

I believe we are now in this "third passing".

·
" Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted.
'Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the
third passing which the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let
every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and Union. With
these words the vision vanished, and I startled from my seat and felt that I had
seen a vision wherein had been shown me the birth, progress, and destiny of the
United States."

"Such, my friends, concluded the venerable narrator,
"were the words I heard from Washington's own lips, and America will do
well to profit by them." http://www.reversespins.com/gwv.html

Jack

----- Original Message -----

From: Roni Sylvester

To: Jack
Venrick

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:57 AM

Subject: Re: Federal Government Intends to Over Ride the
WRIA Process, seizing control of every drop of water in Washington State

Hi Jack,

Do you get responses?

I don't.

Am getting concerned.

Do you think there's a "troller program" that someone
could of hooked on to my stuff - randomly intercepting?

Either that, or no-one (outside us) actually gives a hoot????

----- Original Message
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From: Jack
Venrick

To: [email-masked]

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:29 AM

Subject: Federal Government Intends to Over Ride the
WRIA Process, seizing control of every drop of water in Washington State

TO:  Washington State
U.S. Representatives

bcc: Property Rights and Freedom Foundations

PLEASE INTERVENE TO THROW BACK THIS ESCALATING ENCROACHMENT
BY FEDERAL AND GLOBAL SPECIAL INTERESTS  UPON OUR STATE LAND AND
WATER.

Jack Venrick

Washington State

www.freedomforallseasons.org

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 4:07 AM

Subject: Federal Government Intends to Over Ride the
WRIA Process, seizing control of every drop of water in Washington State

You have all seen my
previous comments blaming the Federal Government for ruination of the Washington
State Salmon fisheries. The reasons are that the Marine Mammal Protection Act
took the management of these animals out of the State's hands, with the result
that NO ONE manages Marine Mammal population. The same is true of the Federal
Boldt decision. I have no problem with the Point No Point treaty, or with
sharing the resource. The problem was that Boldt over rode the State of
Washington's excellent management of the resource - leaving it unmanaged. That
judge should have been smart enough to stipulate State management under a
directorship that involved the Tribes equally !

Now, after the years of
effort that went into the WRIA process, the federales are trying to over ride
it - OVER RUN it in fact. Having been the victim of this layered bureaurocracy
in dealing with wetland issues, I can tell you that it is ABSURD and totally
wastefull to be forced to work with FIVE government agencies, to simply build a
driveway that fills only 900 sq ft of a class II wetland. Most of the people in
this forum have no idea the expense and frustration involved in such a thing.

Please read the
following article. My suggestion is that this WRIA committee submit an
emergency request to DOE to intervene in this legeslative process - and tell
the US Congress that WE DO NOT WANT FEDERAL CONTROL!!!!

If we do not stop this - you with live to witness more gross,
stupid and failed intervention into our lives - all of our lives, and we cannot
afford it financially or emotionally !! LOCAL CONTROL, POWER TO THE
PEOPLE............ (please send this on if you agree, and call your Senators
and Congress persons)

Ken Shock http://brinnonprosperity.org

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http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun2009/2009-06-18-094.asp

Senators Move Clean
Water Fight Out of Committee

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WASHINGTON, DC, June 18, 2009 (ENS) -
The Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works approved six water-related
bills today, including the controversial Clean Water Restoration Act, S. 787.

The bill would amend the
Clean Water Act to clarify the jurisdiction of the federal government over
waters of the United States.

Over time, several U.S.
Supreme Court decisions and Bush administration policies have created
uncertainty regarding federal protection for some waters, especially headwater
streams and so-called isolated wetlands. Headwater streams are the small
swales, creeks and streams that are the origin of most rivers.

Committee Chairman
Senator Barbara Boxer of California said, "Today the Environment and
Public Works Committee took historic steps to restore, in a balanced way, the
common-sense Clean Water Act protections that have been in place for decades.
We also passed important measures to ensure our families have clean, safe
water, to promote conservation of migratory birds, and to protect America's
beaches, lakes, rivers, bays and wetlands. I look forward to working with my
colleagues on both sides of the aisle as these bills are considered by the full
Senate.”

The Clean Water
Restoration Act replaces the term "navigable waters" that are subject
to the Act with the term "waters of the United States."

Headwater
stream in Ohio (Photo
courtesy Ohio EPA)

This change in language
would bring under federal protection all waters subject to the ebb and flow of
the tide, the territorial seas, and all interstate and intrastate waters and
their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams, including intermittent
streams, mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows,
playa lakes, and natural ponds to the fullest extent that these waters, or
activities affecting them, are subject to the legislative power of Congress.

The bill declares it
does not regulate under the Clean Water Act return flows from irrigated
agriculture; or uncontaminated stormwater runoff from oil, gas, and mining
operations.

It does not impose
federal regulation on dredged or fill materials resulting from normal farming,
silviculture, and ranching activities, from upland soil and water conservation
practices, or on activities regulated by the states under a federally approved
water quality program.

Nor does it regulate
dredged or fill materials for the maintenance of currently serviceable
structures, the construction or maintenance of farm or stock ponds, irrigation
ditches and maintenance of drainage ditches, or farm, forest, or temporary
roads for moving mining equipment in accordance with best management practices,
or the construction of temporary sedimentation basins on construction sites for
which discharges do not include placement of fill material into the waters of
the United States.

Even so, Senator James
Inhofe of Oklahoma, the ranking Republican on the Environment and Public Works
Committee today called the bill, "a dagger directed right at America's
heartland."

A playa
lake on the High Plains in its wet phase (Photo courtesy USFWS)

"I see this bill as
a significant part of a hostile agenda aimed squarely at rural America,"
Inhofe said. "Allowing EPA and the Corps to exercise unlimited regulatory
authority over all inter- and intrastate water, or virtually anything that is
wet, goes too far and is certainly beyond anything intended by the Clean Water
Act. But, that is what S. 787 does."

Inhofe said the bill,
"vastly expands federal control of private property, despite assurances
contained in S. 787. In fact, the very premise of the bill is to override a
state's fundamental right to oversee waters within its borders and to usurp the
power of land owners to manage their property as they see fit."

Inhofe listed groups
that have expressed concerns with this bill including: The Associated Builders
and Contractors, the National Stone, Sand & Gravel Association, the
American Forest and Paper Association, the American Farm Bureau Federation, the
National Association of Home Builders, the National Association of Realtors,
the American Highway Users Alliance, and the American Association of Airport
Executives.

Inhofe says he and
fellow Republicans intend to fight this bill on the Senate floor.

But environmentalists
say this bill is a major step in the right direction after Supreme Court
decisions in 2001 and in 2006 and subsequent directives from the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers have
confused which waters are protected under the Clean Water Act and which are
not.

Chris DeScherer of the
Southern Environmental Law Center said the court and agencies, hinging their
rationale on the term “navigable,” have muddied the scope of
protections for so-called “isolated” wetlands and headwater streams
that are "ephemeral or intermittent."

The
McGarity Wetland Preserve along the Alcovy River near Covington,
Georgia. (Photo courtesy Odum School of Ecology University of Georgia)

"This bill is
critical to protecting drinking water, wildlife habitat, recreation
opportunities, and any number of community economies in the South,"
DeScherer said today.

Virtually all U.S.
waters were once protected, but the current approach is to make determinations
on a case-by-case basis, which creates uncertainty for all interests, including
developers and others in the regulated community as each Corps district is
applying its own criteria for determining what waters are and are not covered.

DeScherer says
regulating the nation's water resources in this piecemeal fashion disregards
the interconnectedness of our watersheds upon which clean, healthy water
relies.

The impacts of confusing
jurisdiction of the Clean Water Act protections has taken an especially heavy
toll in the water-rich South, where clean, plentiful water is directly related
to the health of a web of tributaries and wetlands, DeScherer said, adding
that, "These smaller waters are considered the first-responders to
controlling pollution and floods."

"Although SELC and
many others have fought hard to protect these waters, I can't tell you how many
wetlands or small streams may have been lost forever because of
misinterpretation of the Clean Water Act," he said.

"Our most cherished
iconic waterways, Lake Michigan and the Mississippi River, can only be as
healthy as the streams and wetlands that feed and clean them," said Max
Muller, program director at Environment Illinois.

The U.S. EPA estimates
that over half of Illinois streams are headwater or seasonal, the types of
streams most in danger. At least 800 polluting facilities located on at-risk
streams have their discharges limited by Clean Water Act permits, permits that
Muller worries may no longer be required if this legislation is not enacted. He
cites EPA data indicating that more than 1.6 million Illinois residents receive
drinking water from supplies fed at least in part by these streams.

Other bills approved by
the committee today are mainly to reauthorize or continue existing legislation.
They include:

·
S. 878, Clean Coastal Environment and Public Health Act of 2009
(formerly known as the Beach Protection Act)

·
S. 937, Sewage Overflow Community Right-to-Know Act

·
S. 690, Neotropical Migratory Bird Conservation Act
Reauthorization

·
S. 479, Chesapeake Bay Gateways and Watertrails Network Continuing
Authorization Act

·
S. 933, Contaminated Sediment Remediation Reauthorization Act
(Great Lakes Legacy Act)